starrikthewookiee:
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It’s sad how much of what is taught in school is useless to over 99% of the population.
There are literally math concepts taught in high school and middle school that are only used in extremely specialized fields or that are even so outdated they aren’t used anymore!
I took calculus my senior year of high school, and I really liked the way our teacher framed this on the first day of class.
He asked somebody to raise their hand and ask him when we would use calculus in our everyday life. So one student rose their hand and asked, “When are we going to use this in our everyday life?”
“NEVER!!” the teacher exclaimed. “You will never use calculus in your normal, everyday life. In fact, very few of you will use it in your professional careers either.” Then he paused. “So would you like to know why should care?”
Several us nodded.
He picked out one of the varsity football players in the class. “You practice football a lot during the week, right Tim?” asked the teacher.
“Yeah,” replied Tim. “Almost every day.”
“Do you and your teammates ever lift weights during practice?”
“Yeah. Tuesdays and Thursdays we spend a lot of practice in the weight room.”
“But why?” asked the teacher. “Is there ever going to be a play your coach tells you use during a game that requires you to bench press the other team?”
“No, of course not.”
“Then why lift weights?”
“Because it makes us stronger,” said Tim.
“Bingo!!” said the teacher. “It’s the same thing with calculus. You’re not here because you’re going to use calculus in your everyday life. You’re here because calculus is weightlifting for your brain.”
And I’ve never forgotten that.
This is BULLSHIT. Your brain doesn’t work the same way as a muscle, and current evidence in psychology strongly suggests that the Theory of Identical Elements (i.e. doing hard things with your brain makes you smarter) is rubbish. Taking stuff you learn in one context and applying it to another is really fucking hard, and human suck at it even when the two things are very very similar. The world champion for memorising digits of pi couldn’t remember random lists of digits any better than the average person.
Latin isn’t taught in schools very often any more because we know it’s bullshit to think that learning a hard language will make you better at languages. In fact, from what we know now, you have to practice transferring knowledge in order to be any good at it. If you’ve ever been made to learn ‘critical thinking skills’ at school where they make you critique lots of different stuff, like newspapers and books and movies and tv news, that’s what they’re trying to do.
Bottom line, they SHOULDN’T be teaching calculus as standard in schools. They should be teaching statistics, because everyone in the world has a use for stats, and it’s nowhere near as hard. Learning stats would make you scientifically literate, it would make it much harder for companies to BS you successfully, and it means you can evaluate other people’s evidence for yourself.
tl;dr don’t listen when people tell you this nonsense, it’s not supported by evidence, and the school system needs to catch up
Okay but I don’t really think thats the argument, if i understand what you’re saying correctly, that “learning this very specific hard skill, will make you better at learning this other hard skill because theyre both difficult”. It’s not really a muscle in that you can weightlift it to make it work overall, but it does for some skills work on a “use it or lose it” principle where if you don’t se a skill or practice it, your brain’s neurons will eventually prune them away because its expensive to keep around useless neural networks. Especially when you’re young and still growin - like in elementary and high school.
What I was taught in psychology about these things is that teaching math like this is similar to teaching another language. So with a second language, if you don’t learn one at an early age its VERY difficult later on because your brain begins to prune neural networks you don’t use and once those ones are gone its more difficult to get back. Its often a “use it or lose it” with these types of specifics skills with your brains, if you don’t use those neural networks and continue to expand them you will start to lose them and have a hard time getting them back. So for your Latin example, I’d argue that while yes Latin is kind of useless, but the practice of learning a second language at an early age WILL make you better at learning other languages because your brain still recognizes that as a skill thats being used. Thats why bilingual children are much better at picking up a third or forth language later on but in America, kids aren’t taught till highschool and we SUCK at learning other languages as a result because our brains aren’t readily plastic enough to pick that skill up (you can but its much harder).
Same with mathematics. Math is basically another language, and if you don’t learn it when you’re young your brain will have a very difficult time forming those neural networks later on. So, yes you probably wont practically use calculus in your life. But, if you don’t keep on taking math classes in high school your brain will eventually prune those neural networks that you use for that specific type of abstract problem solving involved in calculus/geometry/algebra etc. Not only that, but learning that specific type of problem solving ability required by math will help with other more practical problems in your every day life even if you don’t make the direct connection.
Such as, simple algebra problems like 12=2+x, being able to look at that and then solve backwards for X is a type of problem solving that comes in handy in other situations where you might have to look at the conclusion and then draw inferences about the causes. And continuing to practice mathematical thinking as a skill in schools will make it easier and quicker for you to access that problem solving ability.
I can’t really speak for Calculus specifically because I dropped calculus in college because I was struggling with it, but definitely abstract math courses should still be learned and taught and its not a useless skill that has no practical purpose.
Of course, research and evidence about our brain is still an ongoing process and our view of it and learning changes each year so the information I’m going on could very well be outdated by now.
Also maybe just fundamentally there should be more value provided by education, even pre-college education, than what you’ll use in your life, and “when will we ever use this” is a misinformed question right from the start.
Granted, education should do a lot more to prepare people for life. But it shouldn’t be wholly focused on preparing people for life. Encouraging a natural curiosity and a desire to learn things that aren’t innately useful but are good for their own sake is a good thing.